while I appreciate your response I do not appreciate how rude it was. That was not necessary to use the terms crap or very very confused. I realized I posted to the wrong forum but not intentionally and I certainly do know the difference. I am really surprised at the length of rudeness and I hope you don't treat your co workers this way as if you are the goru of programming. I am sure you forget that at some point in time you did not know all the answers and I am sure you still don't know all the answers so before you comment on another person's question think about how you were when you first started programming. and climb back down off that pedestal because I am sure that someone will knock you off of it at some point in time. I will not be posting again in this forum you have secured that decision with your ignorance.